The increase in conferences
Geertjan Wielenga: Don't you also get the feeling that maybe five years ago, even, there weren't as many conferences as there are now?
Kirk Pepperdine: Yes, I think a few more have popped up. If you look at what's going on in Poland, that's pretty amazing. Poland seems to have a very active community and there are a lot of conferences. There are a couple of conferences that are back to back in Krakow. They both draw 3,000 people. I can't spend my entire time speaking because I need to pay the bills and speaking, unfortunately, doesn't really pay the bills.
Geertjan Wielenga: Do you find that as a result of being at conferences and networking, it helps your business?
Kirk Pepperdine: I haven't been able to correlate attendance at a conference with my business. Now, I know there's a correlation but nothing is ever immediate. Everyone thinks that you go to a conference and you walk away with 10 new clients. That doesn...