Looking at the cloud
Viktor Farcic: But then isn't that a threat to those same cloud vendors? If it's so transparent, then I can easily switch from one to another.
Wian Vos: I think that's a good situation for us as consumers. But it does make these vendors compete more for our business. For at least the last five to six years, if you talk to anybody who's somebody in IT, it's all about the cloud. In that time period, we had an unprecedented economic boom. So, I'm wondering what's going to happen once the economy start failing again: Will people have to cut costs again, and if so, then what happens? Are we going back to hardware?
Viktor Farcic: But is cloud computing more expensive than on-prem?
Wian Vos: Yes.
Viktor Farcic: I have a theory, and I might be wrong, that when you calculate the price per CPU, and if we include the tens of hundreds of people managing that infrastructure on-prem, I actually think it's not that much more expensive when...